One of the videos from the Korean promotion of Eclipse

I find this incredibly interesting… one of her favorite scenes is Bella kissing Jacob and having to face Edward after it…

“A line that she finally crossed” Kristen says. “I liked having a moment where she sort of thought she maybe made a mistake but was OK with it… and I really loved how quiet and understanding Edward was after that”

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i actually really like that this is her favourite scene (apart from the actual kiss of course). but Kristen admits that Bella realises her mistake and fears Edward’s reaction…
and WHAT does Edward do?

He LOVES her just the same, gives her the choice, the freedom, he accepts the possiblity that he may lose his love, but he is gentlemanly enough to give Bella exactly what she wants, even if she still hasn’t figured it out.

This is exactly what Dog does NOT do… he takes Bella’s free choice away by force-kissing her (1st time) and then playing his little mind game, so she’s guilt-tripped into kissing him…

Ahhhh, Edward, why art thou PERFECTION??? My heart aches for you…

I completely understand what she was saying and it is true. Edward knew that Jacob was going to try and kiss her but did he stop her or tell her what Jacob was up to? No, he wanted it to be her choice and for her to decide if she kissed him or not. That is why I dont get where people think that Edward was controlling. That would have been the perfect situation to control but instead he wanted her to choose what she wanted and even after she chose he asked if she was sure that she made the right choice. If anything Jacob’s manipulation of the situation and battle made me dislike him more because he didnt even keep his word and that part made me love Edward even more. Edward keeps his word and only wanted what was best for Bella. Oh Edward why cant there be men like you out there lol.

Good point. This could be the perfect example of how Edward is not controlling at all.

This scene is my 2nd favorite after the tent scene.

My favorite scene is Rosalie’s talk with Bella. I cried, I found even more respect for Rosalie….I never hated her from the beginning….and it made me fall in love with Emmett. To go through so much and be a survivor but still be able to love so passionately with Emmett just made me in awe of their relationship. I never think the couple gets enough credit for the deeper meaning of their relationship because both are more than what is on the surface. I love those kinds of characters and Rosalie’s backstory took me for a loop but was one of the things SM did completely right from beginning to end as far as building it up and delivering it. It gave Rosalie’s character a new perspective in the reader’s eyes. I dig that kind of stuff lol.

Yes, Chrissy, I do love that Edward gives Bella that moment knowing what Jacob was planning to do to make that choice. I look forward to seeing how Rob plays Edward’s reaction.

I just thoroughly dislike that resulting vision of the life that J/B should have had together, but Bella has never desired before. I remember being angry that I never felt there was the foundation for this great love. He was her best friend that she loved like family not some great love that rivaled her love for Edward. I never felt passion between them just appreciation of his beauty.

Rachelle, you are right that Rosalie and Emmett never do get credit for overcoming the adversity of her attack and having a passionate relationship. I think we usually see her pining for the life that she can’t have with a child and that overshadows their love and affection.

Ditto to what you and Chrissy said Rachelle! I totally agree with that. Edward knew exactly what Jake was going to do before he did it! And he could’ve stopped him, but he didn’t. Why? B/C he’s Edward, and he sweet, perfect, and awesome and wanted Bella to love him no strings attached! Unlike some other ppl who shall remain nameless. Oh, Edward, I just love you to pieces…..

P.S. Guys, tomorrow is Chrissy’s be-day! So go on and give her a shout out! Happy B-Day Chrissy, thanks for helping to make CBA even more awesome every day!!!

Dazzled eyes, I agree. I think it was all a bit random how she went from thinking of Jake like a brother and best friend to OMG this man could be the one I marry. It was a bit quick and made it seem like Jacob had this magical kiss or something over her because suddenly she has this epiphany over a kiss.

But once put into perspective, it works in Edward’s favor. One, the kiss was not something Bella was going to do until Jacob manipulated it. Jacob said that it should have been their first kiss because the first one was well lets face it, forced, but this one wasnt much better. He didnt physically force her, that time he just emotionally did and played mind games with her….not the best stuff to start a relationship on by any means. Plus Jacob was going to kiss her no matter what, so the guy still was willing to force himself on her, not the best message SM.

I was thoroughly pissed at first but then started thinking about what that kiss did. Jacob can never say Bella didnt consider him, she didnt know what she wanted, she didnt think it through because she did. For one fleeting moment she let her mind fathom a life with Jacob and only Jacob then was like…..not worth it. That is the great thing about it. Jacob actually just helped her decision. Yes she has a place in her heart for Jacob but he can never be Edward, her true love. He can never make her feel the way Edward does and the kiss helped her just reinforce what she already knew, Jacob wasnt the one for her. Then he had a chance to be noble and keep his word and stay, but he proved who was the better man. Jacob lied and left and in return Edward and Seth became the heroes. It all worked out quite well as if it were fate.

What pissed me off is the conversation Jacob had with Bella at the end. Where he wanted her to admit that they could have been soul mates if it werent for Edward which was completely untrue. Jacob had something that Edward didnt, imprinting so if he was meant for Bella, then he would have imprinted….instead he imprinted on an infant. That is the part I really didnt get and then she ran off to cry to Edward about it. Another time that I felt so bad for Edward. My poor Edward got screwed over so much and SM gave him the shaft.

PS: People say Edward and Bella were an unhealthy relationship but look at Jacob’s “relationship” with Bella. They werent best friends before, but grew closer because she was vulnerable and on the rebound, then Edward comes back, Jacob turns volatile and forces himself on her, and then keeps trying to manipulate her and Edward to get what he wants….oh such a great relationship.

Ahh, Rachelle, you are speaking my language. In that last conversation, Jacob gets Bella to say that they are soulmates and to admit Edward was an addiction and that he would have been healthy for her….not! She even says that she wanted that life that she saw in her vision badly. I was like WTF! Then Bella goes and has the night of tears while leaning on Edward. I understood why Edward thought if you are in this much pain, maybe you made the wrong choice. SM made Eclipse look like Bella/Jacob were the main couple in the last act of the story with no real foundation and that Edward stole her from him.

Stacieeeeeeee,

you are so sweet!!! Thanks so much

Dazzled eyes, you are awesome. I feel the same. I feel like I missed something or there was a book between New Moon and Eclipse where Jacob and Bella were this dynamic couple. Completely understand where you are coming from.

No problem Chrissy! Happy B-day again, I hope you had a great day.

Like the discussion you had Rachelle w/ Dazzled eyes. I agree with both of you…but I want to interject this…..and no, before I say it, I’m NOT trying to say that Bella should’ve or could’ve been with Jacob….BUT, isn’t it said that IF the Cullens had NOT come back to Forks, that then there would’ve been NO reason for the wolves to exist? With that said….if they didn’t turn into wolves, doesn’t it stand to reason that there would be NO imprinting? Like that, maybe, and Lord forgive me for saying it b/c I am SOOOOOO team Edward and I think you all know that by now, but that there MAY have been that possiblity that Bella’s vision COULD’ve been true? Just throwing it all out there as anoter point of view. B/C, well, that’s what we do here right?

You know that I really think that all that happens at the end of Ecilspe is total BS!! Jake was just an oversized baby! Since he didn’t get want he wanted after manipulating Bella into kissing him….he stomped off to the battle HOPING he’d get hurt so that Bella could feel guilty! ANd it worked and she did! Going to see him like she did while he was healing….so overly dramatic I thought. She told him there it was done, he had no shot! Why was he taken so off guard when he got Edward’s note and found out about the wedding and then took off like he did?! WHY?! He knew he was done…Bella was Edward’s! And you are all right, it was absolutely horrible of Bella to go crying into Edward’s arms that night about Jake!!! I hated that, I hated seeing that Edward was hurt, him telling her that maybe she had choosen wrong! BULL! If he hadn’t been…well Edward, he would’ve kicked her ass to the curb long before!!! But he loved her, no strings attached. And THAT is what is so beautiful about their love.

Okay, rant over.

There was a hole in SM’s/Jake’s “theory” about wolves changing and it was never proven, just called an interesting theory. When the Cullens moved back years before Bella moved to Forks, only Sam changed. Then once the Cullens left again, Jacob and the others started to transform, not while the Cullens were there. Now even if they say that the transformation was already taking place because of the Cullens, why when there were seven vampires there, only one wolf turned? Also if the transformation was underway it sure did move slowly so why when the newborn war was about to start did more wolves start popping up like weeds but before when the Cullens were around it took so long for Jake and the others to turn? There was no consistency with Jake and the pack’s theories and what was really happening. The legends made it clear that it took at least three wolves to kill one vampire and even then two of the wolves died…..but the pack thought it would be easy to kill the vampires and Jake thought he could take out all the Cullens in the house in BD. The pack thought they were faster than vampires, but could never catch Victoria and Edward easily was able to catch up with Jacob when Bella wanted him to bring Jake back to her in Eclipse. It makes no sense and it was a huge hole in the story. We never really know about wolves or shapeshifters or what makes them what they are because the theories met dead ends.

And lets be honest if Edward didnt exist, Jacob still would not necessarily be Bella’s soul mate. Case and point, why did Bella start hanging around Jake in the first place? To hear Edward’s voice. Without Edward, Bella is just a regular teen at Forks High who gets killed by a van. Bella wouldnt even be alive for Jake to pine over if it werent for Edward if we’re playing the no one is a mythical creature game. Bella would be dead and Jake would still be on the reservation away from her in the first place. Ironically enough, the very person who Jake says keeps them apart is the same person who let them even have a chance to be together. Without Edward, Bella would be dead or if she somehow cheated death, she still wouldnt have a reason to go see Jake in La Push. Great questions Stacie! I love talking about those types of scenarios.

Hi ladies! Rachelle, the hole in the theory is that the Pack does not consider the Nomads coming in and out of their lands when the Cullens leave. The presence of Victoria and Laurent’s visit must trigger some activity in the Pack genes too.

I have not been on here long, but I would like to offer Chrissy a Happy birthday too!

But what decides how many are turned or not. The pack still sees the Cullens as threats and everyone but Seth dislikes them so why did so many wolves turn when Victoria and Laurent were in the area but not when the Cullens first arrived? Also as far as Laurent, in the book he stumbles upon Bella and was just passing through the area after leaving Irina in Alaska. He wasnt lurking after her or in the area long. The wolves turned before that so it only leaves Victoria. So all these wolves are turning for one vampire but when seven first arrive, only one does? It still doesnt make sense to me.

Okay, Rachelle, so true. Very true about Sam being the only who changed when the Cullens first moved back to town. Why did it happen like that? Why, did the others start to change once they left in NM, doesn’t make sense. And dazzledeyes, I get your point about the nomads, but it was just Victoria sulking about, WHY did just one vampire turn the whole pack?! B/C as Rachelle pointed out, Laurent WAS just passing through and the wolves WERE already changed by the time he showed up….so, what about all that SM?! I don’t think she can explain it all……why was the process so dang slow for some, but accerlated for others? IE: Seth and Leah and whomever else transformed there at the end of BD, b/c remember, Bella was shocked at the sight of all the wolves she saw standing with the Cullens and the other witnesses against the Volturi. I’m just saying, doesn’t make sense, and there is a hole in the theory, a VERY BIG hole.

Rachelle, Jake thought he could take out all the Cullens in the house in BD b/c he was aggorant as all get out and angry b/c Bella was married, and BITTER about the baby. NO WAY, even with Edward in the state of mind he was in, was that nonsense going to happen. Not w/ Jasper and Emmett around. Jake would’ve been toast! You are right though, we are never really going to know what makes the wolves, wolves. *Sigh*

Without Edward, Bella is just a regular teen at Forks High who gets killed by a van. ……LMAO with this one Rachelle, but again, you are so right and I never thought of it quite like that, but it’s so true. Tyler’s van would’ve crushed her had Edward not been there to save her, how tragic and sad. I guess i’m glad that he was there b/c I love the “love story” the way it is. And yes, I too love having these kinds of discussions, makes things fun!

I am going to give SM the benefit of the doubt and say that she wasnt speaking as the writer when she was talking about the theories, but instead was having just Jacob speak. I say that because usually when a writer has a character reveal their theories or a clue, it is the writer’s way of calling it a truth unless otherwise disproven so like when Edward says that Carlisle believes whatever ability or talent a human had in their life, it is amplified when they are a vampire, that was never disproven so we believe it as truth for the book. Plus there were several examples of that with their family. Jacob and the wolves were different though. A lot of their theories ended up having loose ends now either that is SM’s way of showing their ignorance and arrogance or she just forgot to make it all come together. I will give her the benefit and say she was just adding to Jacob’s arrogance like you said Stacie and also trying to show that in reality the wolves had no clue what they were doing and were inexperienced. The Cullens were the first ones to teach them how to kill vampires the right way so that did show throughout the books.

Good points Rachelle, the Cullens DID teach the pack how to fight the vamps the right way…….w/out them, they’d be lost. It was just pure luck and Laurent’s suprise at their existence that they took him out they way they did! Maybe that was SM’S why of saying that the wolves weren’t infalliable and needed the Cullens’ help just as the Cullens needed the wolves.

I think so as well and them beating Laurent was definitely easier than it could have been. Laurent was completely taken off guard and didnt feel the need to run or really escape. He tried to fight them off and they took him by surprise. That is also why Victoria was able to escape them so much. She knew what she was up against and their weaknesses.

I gave some more thought to that hole in Jake’s theory. When precisely did Victoria start making newborns? She brought Riley down into Forks. Doesn’t it only need to be one vamp to start the gene? I don’t think it was a one-to-one ratio of vamp to wolf needed to create them. Just some ideas that I was mulling around with.

I dont think Riley came into the picture until after the Cullens returned but it was never really said. She spent a while creating her army but they were in Seattle not Forks so that doesnt help much. I think it would be safe to say that the pack would need more than one wolf in it even if there was only one vampire in the area if we go by the legends. One wolf really cant kill one vampire. It takes several. Even when Seth went against Riley he needed help from Edward. It still brings me back to my original question. If the Quileutes consider the Cullens evil even if they dont kill humans, shouldnt more wolves have turned as soon as they moved back to Forks? Only Sam turned and the Cullens hadnt just moved back when the others started to turn either so I dont get it. Then when the Cullens leave and only Victoria is lurking in the area, more turn? That didnt make sense to me. Wolves dont get to pick and choose when or if they turn. It is a cycle. They apparently dont have a choice in it so the question is what the cycle really is I guess lol.

Okay, correct if I’m wrong. When Jacob makes the statement that the Cullens are the reason that were needed, the Pack consisted of Sam, Paul, Jared, Embry and Jake. Jake and Embry happened during the NM timeline. Quil comes in somewhere between the time after Jake pushes Bella away in NM and EC when we see him with Jake. Leah, Seth, Collin and Brady become part of the Pack during EC. That is six before the Cullens even come back and ten by the fight in EC. Now if the Cullens are 7 vampires and Jake and Quil were not activated by the time they left, I would think that a one to one ratio is not needed for activation.

To answer why not more wolves, it was thought that only the direct male heirs of the Taha Aki line could become Protectors until Leah and that is everyone in the Pack.

I verified the members of the Pack to Twilight Lexicon Genealogy chart.

I also found it interesting that Jacob’s change was five months and two days after the last of the Cullens, Edward, left town. That is some strong voodoo.

True but what I am saying is that in the legends, one wolve was not able to take out one vampire. They needed at least three and even then, two died in the process. If that is the case then why when seven vampires arrived, only Sam, Paul, and Jared were turned and the process was pretty long because by the time Bella came the Cullens had been there for a couple of years. That would leave them outnumbered against seven vampires who supposedly are a threat to them. It makes no sense and like you said after the Cullens leave then Jake, Embry, and Quil turned, so it must not be the Cullens who are such a threat because like it was said in the legends, when they first arrived they didnt have to make the treaty with the pack. They outnumbered them and could have easily killed them but Carlisle didnt want that. I just dont get it and it irritated me that in the legends they decipher between golden eyes and red eyes but Jake and the others still hate on the Cullens…..I guess they didnt learn much from their ancestors.

Yeah, I know. Go figure! Then again, their prejudice is so ingrained that they don’t want to see another side. The elders took Sam to the forest and told him that the vamps were his enemy and that he his noble purpose for being was to eradicate them from the Earth. I think they just channeled his fear into hate.

That is why I love on Mr. Seth. He is the first open minded Quileute after fighting alongside Edward and he gives me hope that maybe a new generation will think for themselves and see the red eyes vamps as the enemy to mankind.

Seth is my favorite wolf! He is so adorable and when I write fanfics, I always have to include him in them lol. I cant help it and I just love writing with him.