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An official statement, just released by Summit on their Facebook page, confirming that ALL the Cullens will be back for Breaking Dawn!!! Now tell us how many parts, Summit, and we might actually believe that you listen to us!

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LOL this is Summit’s subtle way of saying everything is good. You notice they dont mention anything about the negotiations or the reports about Ashley and Kellan and instead say ALL the Cullens will be back which normally wouldnt be questioned. Glad to see it and I am sure now that all the main cast is back they will decide one or two films which knowing how much Summit has rushed and messed up these movies already I am sure it will be two

YES!!!!! It’s FINALLY official then! Thank goodness, now I can breath again. Can I just say that I am totally shocked to have come here and found this statement b/c, Chrissy and I were saying earlier that we didn’t think Summit was going to say a word about a word! So, and Iyes, I’m actually saying this…Bravo Summit, good job!

Rachelle, can I assume from your sad face that you don’t want BD to be two movies?

Yes you can assume that them dragging out the movie is not my idea of fun. I am not surprised that they will though, Summit is still a money hungry studio. I knew they wouldnt come out with a statement addressing the negotiations but this is a typical summit move. It is their way of calming the fans down about all the rumors and articles lately.

I expect that Summit will want to milk the Twilight cow for all it’s worth! I just can’t imagine where they’ll split the movies, and what the 2nd one will be about….unless they are planning to change that totally anticlimatic ending just to make it more visualy entertaining and the money coming in.

I will admit that if they find a way to change up the ending to give us more then hey I am all for it but as the book stands at this point I just dont see it. They could have the first film be about the wedding, honeymoon, and her being pregnant, but the second film would drag and build up to nothing unless like you said they change some things up. No matter what they arent doing it for the fans or film continuity, they are doing it for the money.

I think the second film would be about the gathering of the witnesses, probably some of their background, preparing for the vultori, of course Bella changing & hunting for the first time, gotta have Irina in there too.

I agree the first movie would be about the wedding, honeymoon, Bella being pregnant, possibly the birth. I could imagine them ending it where Bella spills the cup & her water breaks, and her screaming & passing out. They would also have to bring in Jacob spitting on his own & becoming the Alpha, along with Seth & Leigh joining him.

Of course the second movie would have to have Bella’s father learning about Jacob & meeting Rennesme & seeing Bella.

I am very glad that Summit announced the Cullens would be back though. I’m glad things were worked out.

I agree Becky but then too remember that they can show the witnesses whereas SM had to spend tons of pages describing what they look like. One zoom in and you get the picture of what the witnesses look like and lets be real…..it all leads to nothing really happening. I really hope they leave out the Jenks stuff because that was so elaborate and dragged out and it wasnt even necessary at the end. If they can cut out vital scenes like the airport scene in New Moon or Edward bringing Bella back to Charlie then they can easily cut out that stuff.

I guess you’re right Rachelle. I personally don’t like the fact that they left those things out of New Moon. I would have preferred the movies be more close to the books.

My favorite part of Eclipse was the taunting & tension. I loved the interaction & I loved how Edward handled it all. I loved the passion between Bella & Edward as well. It irritates me though that they downplay that. Really, between Twilight & New Moon the sexiest scene between them was that first kiss in the bedroom. The sad part is the books have so much more interaction between them. They completely skip a lot of that. I don’t like it.

Sorry for my rant though.

Becky you are right about them downplaying the love and romance between Edward and Bella. For those who havent read the books, it would be easy to see why Jacob is in the running but when you read the books and know how connected Edward and Bella are before Edward leaves, it is a far stretch to think Bella and Jacob are the perfect couple. That is why I can only roll my eyes at these teens that say they are Team Jacob based on the movies. They have no clue what they are really saying or the love that Edward and Bella have. I wish they would show that intensity and if they dont in Eclipse then all hope is definitely lost. I never expected the movies to be just like the books but come on now I did expect them to be closer. Harry Potter is a lot like the books and so was LOTR so I guess I went in with high expectations but with Summit running the show I guess this is what you get. They have so much to work with when it comes to Eclipse but I can see them screwing that up too.

Rachelle, I so agree with you about Jacob even being in the running. I’ve said it on previous posts that it was always Edward, Jacob never had a chance. She may have been tempted while Edward was away, but it truly was never Jacob, ever!!

I never could understand Team Jacob at all. It just never made sense to me. I would have been Team Switzerland before I’d ever been Team Jacob. LOL

When Edward tries to control Bella and her seeing Jacob, I get sort of Team Switzerland because I don’t exactly agree with him doing that. I understand why he does, from his point of view, but I don’t agree with it. Otherwise, I’m totally Team Edward! LOL

Usually i wouldnt agree with a guy trying to control what his girlfriend does but when that girlfriend is Bella Swan who almost dies just by walking and has a vengeful vampire coming after her…..I think the situation is a bit different lol. I felt bad for Edward because with Bella it was more about rebelling. He didnt want her to go so that made her want to do it even more. She didnt stop to think that even if she is around the wolves, that wont stop Victoria from trying to kill her….they chased her all the way to canada and couldnt catch her…..plus wolves are temperamental and that is one reason I want to read the books from Edwards POV. We all knew Jacob was one egg short of a coocoo’s nest but to actually hear the bitter wolf’s thoughts I am sure didnt help the situation. Most of the Quileutes didnt want her on the land, Paul already was out to get her, and Jacob couldnt control his temper so the fact that Edward couldnt even step foot on the treaty line without Jacob being ready to declare war even if Edward was trying to save Bella really made me see where Edward was comng from. What really got me is that when the Cullens and wolves were chasing Victoria and she jumped into the water, the wolves refused to let the Cullens go get her even though the wolves couldnt. That showed their ego was more important than Bella’s life and the lives of innocent people. Everything could have ended right there but the wolves refused to be civilized protectors of their people because it would mean letting vampires do what they couldnt. The wolves underestimated Victoria’s power….mostly because she was a woman and the wolves underestimated the Cullen women the same way….so yes I did feel for poor Edward who had to watch helplessly and hope that his girlfriend came back in one piece, which she didnt thanks to Jake forcing himself on her. Plus it isnt like Jacob was responsible. Edward was the one who had to beg Bella to wear a damn helmet while riding a motorcycle even though Jacob had seen her hurt several times because of the activity. I get Bella wanting to be independent but when you cant even walk without almost dying I think that whole independence thing can easily be questioned.

That is what I dont get about Team Jacob. It is a double standard. People say Edward was controlling but Jacob was the one forcing himself on her, trying to tell her what she should want, degrading her because she was with Edward, and constantly getting mad to the point of being dangerous….oh yea he’s a keeper. The Jake from NM and Twilight was great but he didnt stay that Jake. He became something completely different and even once he imprinted he still was the same possessive wolf……just with a child ew!

PS: I am so sick of Summit acting like the triangle was this huge deal. Bella was never thinking about leaving Edward for Jacob. That never came up. What she was thinking about was how to keep her friend and still be with Edward and there is a huge difference between the two. I am hoping they are just promoting it differently but in the movie the original tension will stay true but that might just be wishful thinking. I want it as close to the book as possible and every trailer they have shown or every clip is different from the book already.

AMEN Rachelle! You are so right, thanks for bringing up this point. That was what Bella was trying to do in Eclipse, NEVER once did she think about having a romantic relationshop with Jake!! She only told him so..IDK, a million times! He just never took no for an answer…..EVEN after the wedding! So where they are getting this triangle nonsense, I have no idea. Again I ask, why is SM letting this happen?

Each time they kissed was a joke. The first time, he forced himself on her and she broke her hand slapping the crap out of him….oh yea she really wanted him. And then the second time she did it because he lied and manipulated by saying he wouldnt go to battle and die if she kissed him….not the best things to base a relationship off of. And by that time she was already Edward’s. They were already doing their compromising so Jacob was just trying to get what he could because in his warped mind everything Edward did was bad and everything Jacob did was good and right for Bella who he felt was brainwashed by Edward. I found that laughable since Bella was constantly trying to get Edward to do have sex, turn her, etc and he was the one being manipulated into coming to a compromise.

Rachelle, you have some very good points & some of your comments are so funny. “One leg short of a coocoo’s nest”, and “oh yeah, he’s a keeper”. LOL. I thought those were so funny.

I agree that there was never a chance for Jacob, except in his own mind. I think there wasn’t a triangle except in where Jacob tries to insert himself into the middle of the relationship and try to change Bella’s mind. Jacob in most cases was acting out of desperation. The closest Bella ever came to even considering Jacob was in New Moon when he is changed to a wolf & tells her she needs to leave him alone. She doesn’t know what’s going on & she pleads with him telling him she’s sorry and maybe if he gives her some time. Once Edward is back though, there’s no chance for Jacob. Not even when Alice tells her about Edward going to the Volturi. Jacob should have known then that he had no chance, because Bella wouldn’t stay with him.

I agree with what you are saying about Edwards protectiveness. I agree to some point. I did feel sorry for Edward as well, knowing she was going there to be with Jacob & knowing how she gets hurt a lot & knowing Victoria is out to get her.

I also understand Bella’s point of view that she doesn’t want someone to hover over her all the time and protect her from everything. She wants a life & she wants to be with the people she considers friends, as well as being with her boyfriend. Edward didn’t have a problem with Bella going to Angela’s house to spend time & fill out invitations. The book didn’t indicate if he actually monitored the house to make sure nothing happened to Bella, but from how it was written I made the assumption that once Edward came up behind Bella & saw that she was stopping at Angela’s house, he continued on and met her at her house later. I would think he would be more afraid of her hanging out with her human friends, than the wolves, considering her human friends wouldn’t be able to do a thing to help Bella at all. Edward would know that Jacob would at least try and do something to help Bella & keep her safe.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Edward at times. I also agree with you Rachelle that Bella was mostly just trying to be defiant. Bella knew how she felt about Edward & informed Jacob on many occasions. Bella knew that Jacob had feelings for her. Bella should have stopped spending time with Jacob once he made it clear that he wasn’t going to back down.

That’s why I say I only get ’sort of’ Team Switzerland about that situation, but I’m more Team Edward than anything. LOL

Why would he be afraid of her hanging out with Angela? His worries werent as much about Victoria who he knew his family was keeping an eye out for as he was worried about Jacob’s impulsive, tempermental wolf side. Jacob snapped a lot and I dont think Bella ever realized just how lucky she was at times that the boy didnt take a swipe at her in the heat of the moment.

You also have to remember that Edward can read Jacob’s mind and also knows that Jacob is arrogant which is one of his biggest flaws. The pack underestimates Victoria and while Alice can see when Bella is around humans like Angela and they can come to her aid if necessary, they cant do that at La Push where the beach is right there, Victoria can snatch up Bella, and then escape into the water because the damn wolves cant swim. They completely underestimated Victoria and always did no matter how many times she outran them or made them look like imbeciles. Wolves can defeat vampires but it is difficult to do and they wouldnt accept that. Plus, let’s not forget Emily. Emily is the perfect example of what happens when a wolf gets out of control no matter how much they care about the person. Do you really think Edward would have ever forgiven himself if Jacob would have done that to Bella? It wouldnt even have been his fault. Bella was the one walking into danger but Edward felt responsible for her because he knows how dangerous wolves can be. She came back with a broken hand because of Jacob but it could have been much worse. Jacob was always on the brink of losing his temper. The boy moaned and groaned more than anyone else in the books so yes I could see why Edward would think her going to La Push was dangerous. Even if the wolves could protect her for the most part from Victoria, who would protect Bella against the wolves? Would Jacob ever intentionally hurt Bella? Definitely not, but Sam would have never intentionally hurt Emily either.

PS: Becky I love our conversations even when we have different views it is always nice to talk with you.

Rachelle, thanks I love our conversations too. I love differing views because it makes the conversation more interesting.

You are right though, about Alice being able to see Bella with her human friends. I totally forgot about that. LOL

The one difference between Sam & Jacob though is that Sam didn’t have anyone to help him deal with the changes he was going through. It took Sam longer to figure out how to control the changing & the anger. Jacob did have help with it & he learned how to control it a lot quicker. Yes, he did grow angry fairly quickly, but he was always able to control it because he didn’t want to hurt Bella, ever. Bella understood that. She also understood that there was that possibility, but just like the danger with Edward she believed that Jacob wouldn’t do anything to hurt her. Bella is a trusting soul & she actually sort of tempts fate so to speak, or has a death wish, not sure the best way to put it.

I believe that part of the reason that Edward doesn’t want to trust Jacob & Bella’s trust in Jacob, is because Edward was afraid of losing Bella & was jealous. Edward already knows that Jacob would do anything for Bella & to keep her alive, just that Jacob doesn’t try to keep Bella from the dangers that are out there – except for Victoria.

I agree with you, by the way, that the wolves are cocky & under estimate Victoria completely. That is a dangerous part & I will agree with you on that. Yet, with Jacob’s feelings for Bella, all the wolves would come to help if Victoria were to make it through to their land.

I do understand why Edward would think it’s dangerous for her to go to La Push, but I think that part of the reasoning behind that thought is because he was jealous of Jacob & scared to lose Bella.

If Edward wasn’t jealous & scared, then he wouldn’t have told Jacob that he was going to fight for Bella too. Edward would have just looked at Jacob & laughed and told him to try all he wants, but he will be unsuccessful because Bella loves him.

I don’t doubt that there is fear for Bella’s life in there that is part of the basis for his actions, but I don’t believe that it is the full basis for his actions. I just think he uses that as an excuse to try and control Bella, so he doesn’t have to worry so much about any competition from Jacob. LOL

Just the way I took it from the books.

I dont think Edward was anywhere near as jealous as Jacob was and one thing you forget….Edward was willing to step aside if Bella wanted Jacob. He wasnt going to play some mind game with her to make her stay unlike Jacob who constantly tried to. Edward already made the ultimate sacrifice by leaving her once and if she wanted him to leave her alone he would have because he is noble, Jake never was. Jacob wasnt willing to do that.

I dont see the huge difference between Sam and Jacob. Sam even warned Jacob about being around Bella because it was dangerous. If anything, Sam imprinted on Emily and completely loved her but was still able to do that to her. He is a wolf just like Jacob and Jake wasnt some superior wolf that controlled that side of him way better. Jacob almost lost it a lot and the worst one was in the garage with Bella when she could see that he was a danger to her. He was violently shaking and she knew she needed to back off.

Bella hung on to HER Jacob. Not the Jacob that became a wolf and she even said that. She didnt want to believe that Jacob had changed even though he had and it took her a while to realize that her Jacob was somewhere in him but not like it used to be. Her Jacob would never hurt her, the tempermental Jacob could.

Edward isnt the type to laugh in someone’s face not even Jacob’s. Edward had plenty of times to put Jacob in his place and tell Jacob everything that he had with Bella but he didnt. The only time he actually stood up for his relationship with Bella was when Jacob forced himself on her and in the tent when he was rubbing on her while taunting Edward with dirty thoughts in his head. Edward could have easily been all over Jacob and most men would have. Yes Edward was naturally going to be a little jealous but he utlimately wanted Bella to choose and he wasnt going to jump through hoops like Jake to manipulate her decision. He asked several times if she wanted to be with Jake and she was the one trying to convince him so no I dont think he was really jealous or had some ulterior motive for not wanting her to go see Jacob. It was pretty simple, Jake could easily turn into something dangerous and he didnt have the control to stop himself the way that Edward did, Bella even associated Jake with danger, adventure, and rebellion so it isnt a surprise that Edward did. If Bella would actually SEE the danger that she put herself in on a regular basis or didnt want to surround herself around wolves, then yes I could see Edward’s reaction as over the top, but even if he did trust Jacob enough not to hurt her, which he didnt…..remember Jake tried to grab and physically prove his points to Bella often….the other wolves werent to be trusted either. Paul hated her, Sam hurt Emily, and no Edward didnt have a reason to put his faith in them or Jacob. They hated all vampires and those associated with them and while Jake would never intentionally try to hurt Bella, he is still new to his anger issues, he doesnt have anywhere near the control Edward has, and Jake is a very impulsive act now think about how sorry I am about it later type of guy.

In regular circumstances, Edward could be seen as overprotective but mixing a clumsy girl, with volatile wolves, and a revenge seeking vampire on the loose is begging for trouble. Bella always tempted her fate and she was lucky she had people looking out for her. Because while Jake wanted to be with her, he wasnt the most responsible guy out there for the job. Thats how I saw the books lol.

Rachelle, I agree with pretty much everything you said. You did say it much better than I could. LOL

The one thing that leads me back to the Edward / Jealousy thing is because he absolutely refuses to allow Bella to see Jacob in the beginning & then after she gets pissed at him for setting up the ’sleep over’ with Alice & screwing up her plans with Jacob, he decides that it’s ok for her to go see Jacob as long as he can drop her off & pick her up? He says he doesn’t want her seeing Jacob to come between them. He gives her what she wants because he is afraid of losing her.

You are right, Edward is not the type to ever laugh in someone’s face. I believe that Edward would step aside if Bella had chosen Jacob, but I also believe that Edward would do whatever he could to keep that from happening. Edward even told Jacob that if Bella were to choose him that he would be sitting in the shadows waiting for the day that Jacob would screw up, because it would only take Jacob imprinting on someone to give him is chance back.

I agree with you that Edward was no where near the same as Jacob in how they handled the situation. I agree, Jacob acted like a controlling child, forcing himself on Bella because he thought that would make her change her mind. Edward was much more mature on how he handled it all, even when he wanted to kill Jacob.

Edward did ask Bella about Jacob several times, and tried to give Bella an out, but I believe he took the higher road hoping that Bella would see that as more mature. Edward was able to read Jacob’s mind & know the road he was going to take. I believe Edward used that to his advantage, knowing that Jacob was going to be immature on how he handled everything. I also believe that the mature route that Edward took, was more toward his nature. I don’t think he went against his natural way of things in order to manipulate the situation per se. I do think that he used his natural need to protect Bella & his maturity to appeal to Bella’s common sense & need to be protected & loved.

Not sure if that made any sense at all. LOL

I agree with you though, that the circumstances surrounding Bella & her issues with attracting danger is good cause for him to worry & do what he can to protect her. I still think that Edward does some things to manipulate certain situations to get what he wants though. Case in point…Edward brings up the tickets to Florida & wants to go that weekend, Bella doesn’t want to push things with Charlie right yet. Edward ignores Bella’s wishes & brings it up to Charlie anyway, suggesting that if Bella doesn’t use the tickets that his parents will get their feelings hurt. He intentionally creates a tense situation knowing that Charlie will get upset about Edward going too & say no, causing Bella to argue in favor of going. Edward completely manipulated that situation, granted he did it to keep Bella safe because of Alice’s vision. It still doesn’t make it ok, Edward could just have easily told Bella about Alice’s vision & kept Bella close to him & his family that weekend.

Simply said though, Edward was just the better man, more mature & better choice for Bella. I agree with her choice to pick Edward, she would have never been truly happy with Jacob. LOL

As for your case and point example, remember one of the main reasons he chose Florida? He could have taken her anywherefor the weekend if he really wanted and I dont think Bella would have minded one bit. She did want to go see her mother. She talked about her mother a lot in her sleep and Edward wanted to fulfill that wish. Bella is stubborn. It wasnt as much about her not wanting to go to Florida and it definitely didnt have to do with Jacob, it was more that Bella likes to be in complete control and hates gifts. She was being stubborn, wanted to see her mother and needed to, but her tenacity took over her rational side. The people that love you know what is good for you even when you dont and that was the case and point with Edward. He did manipulate the situation but not to really get what he wanted. He did it because he knew she would be stubborn but needed that time with her mother. Edward understood Bella inside and out in that way. He knew what she needed for the most part and that is also why he understood her need for Jacob even though it pained him.

Edward didnt not let her go see Jacob because he was afraid she would leave him if he didnt let her. He did it because he realized she really missed her friend and while he hated that, he hated not having that control and having to trust Jacob with her, he still let her do it because it was what Bella wanted. He is a Cullen male and they all have one thing in common. What their mate wants, their mate ultimately gets. Edward tried to play hardball for a while but folded just like she knew he would.

Bella manipulated Edward way more. She used his guilt of leaving her to her advantage….how many times was that her bargaining tool when she wanted her way even with Jacob. If somehow that didnt work, she begged. She begged and begged because she knew Edward would do anything for her even relinquish all his natural instincts, forget about the danger, and let her go. Did you ever think that Edward wanted to drop Bella off to read Jake’s thoughts? He wanted to read Jacob’s mind and see where his head was at to make sure Jake didnt have anything up his sleeve…..which Jacob usually did. Edward was completely letting go of any control he could have over Bella’s safety. She was on their territory so he couldnt run to the rescue, Alice couldnt see her, wolves are known to snap, BUT because he loved Bella he had to trust her enough to go. He wanted to pick her up for the same reason, he wanted to hear what Jake thought of their time together. He cant read Bella’s mind and if Jacob did something that Bella didnt like she would hide it from Edward if she felt it would cause trouble. Edward held onto the little piece of control he had left in the situation and there is nothing wrong with wanting to have some type of control and not feel helpless when it comes to the one you love. Bella needed control even over stupid things, no birthday gifts, no making fuss over me, never do anything like that, that was about control too. She doesnt like surprises because she cant control what the surprise is.

As for Edward stepping aside but waiting in the shadows if Jacob slipped up….well duh lol. He is in love with Bella. He cant just flip a switch and act like it didnt happen. That is his life, his love, his everything, but her happiness comes before his. That is one main difference between Jacob and Edward. Jacob wants Bella despite the fact that he never stopped to think about their compatibility, their actual relationship, and need to be together or her true happiness…not just what he assumed her happiness should be. She became more of a desire than a person at times and I do believe that. I think Jacob loved her but he also hated the fact that she chose a vampire over him. It urked him so much and he became obsessed with winning her over. It is just like with anything else, you can start wanting something for the right reasons but then get lost along the way of getting it. He lost sight of himself or as Taylor Lautner put it, he lost touch with reality in Eclipse. Jacob started off as a great guy but he screwed himself over more than once.

You are right about Edward being mature and it is in his nature to take the higher road, that was even before he was with Bella, but Jacob was never that guy. Even after he imprinted he wasnt. Jacob wanted what Jacob wanted and everything else could wait. Sometimes it just so happened that what he wanted also was the right choice as well.

She definitely picked the right guy, I dont think anyone who truly reads the books and understands Bella’s personality can say any different. Mythical creatures aside, look at Edward, Bella, and Jacob’s personalities and compatibility. Edward and Bella match up and Jacob would be the flame that never lasted. She would have a place in her heart for him but could never truly be happy just like you said.

Rachelle, Yet again you say things so well. I agree with much of what you said. I do question Edwards claim that Bella had been talking about missing her mother in her sleep. The book never mentions Bella dreaming of her mother. I guess it depends on the reader on how they take that, is Edward making it up in order to play at Bella’s heart strings for her mother in order to get his way, or did Bella really truly talk about missing her mother in her sleep.

I look to how Edward went against Bella’s wishes to bring it up to Charlie. The way Edward handled that, causes me to raise an eyebrow and wonder if Bella truly was talking in her sleep about her mother.

You are right though, I do think Bella wanted & needed to see her mother. She’s very close to her mother & wouldn’t often pass up an opportunity to see her I think. My opinion at least. I think Edward knew that too & played off of it in that situation.

Bella clearly said that she had just gotten her freedom back from Charlie & she didn’t want to do anything to lose it. She wanted to give Charlie more time to trust her again & feel comfortable with her decisions. Edward ignored that and pushed anyway. Yes, he did it because he felt it was the best thing for her. It still came off as manipulative & controlling to me, even though it was in the name of her best interests.

I do agree with you that Bella does like to control things, most of them pretty silly like you said. I think that stems from having to try and keep her mother out of trouble as a kid.

Edward I do believe allowed Bella to see Jacob because of his fear of losing Bella. He started to realize that him trying to control her, was causing her to become more defiant & pushing her toward Jacob. Yes he realized that she wanted to see her friend & even needed to see Jacob, but I think he ultimately came to the compromise because he felt it was starting to put a rift between them. He didn’t want to lose Bella to Jacob, and so came up with the compromise so that Bella could get what she wanted and he could have some control over the situation like you said. I think Edward was mature enough to understand that about Bella & her reactions. He knew it with the Florida situation & he knew it about the Jacob situation. Bella would fight for what she wanted & not back down. Edward understood that if he kept fighting against Bella, that he would ultimately widen that rift that was starting.

You are right, Bella is very stubborn. Edward does know Bella quite well. He uses that to his advantage. I don’t exactly think that’s a bad thing, as long as he isn’t trying to keep her from what she wants & trying to control her. I think in the beginning, Edward tried to control just about everything, not taking her wishes into consideration. That is the whole deal behind him leaving her. He is controlling the situation. Yes, he does it because he perceives his presence around her as a danger to her, but he never considers that it is more important to her to be with him than her own safety. He doesn’t consider the fact that she should have that choice. It’s only after he leaves and starts to miss her, that he considers going back. He then reasons with himself stating that if he finds her happy with someone else then he will accept the fact that he screwed up & stay away so she can be happy, but if he finds her sad then he won’t stay away anymore. He realizes that he was trying to choose her life for her, and wasn’t recognizing her wishes as valid. He only considers that he would know what’s best for her.

I started to respect Edward much more in Eclipse that night Bella & he came to the compromise in his bedroom, when he came back from hunting. No matter what his motives were, he started treating Bella’s wishes as valid. He didn’t like many of her wishes, but he compromised with her so they could both get a little of what they wanted. That is a respectful relationship, and one that is starting to build on solid ground.

I agree with you also that Bella manipulated situations a lot too. I also think she learned a little of that from Jacob & Edward. I also think that Bella learned to compromise from Edward, which taught her to grow in maturity as well. That is how she changed her view point on getting married, Allowing Alice to plan the wedding, and choosing to wait for sex with Edward until after the wedding.

I agree with everything you said about Jacob. He did lose sight of all reality in the book. I so agree with you that winning Bella over became an obsession to Jacob, and it was because he could stand losing to a vampire. You are completely right in everything you said about Jacob.

I became so completely Team Edward from that night in his bedroom. It was the turning point in Bella & Edwards relationship into a more mature and respectful relationship. I believe that allowed their love for each other to grow stronger. It started a path in helping Bella to mature as well.

I didn’t exactly view some of these things as I read the books, but came to me as I was thinking about things tonight. What do you think?

For me, I had a pretty clear view of Edward, Bella, and Jacob just from reading the books. I dont agree with some of the things you said because like you said it is up to the reader. Edward lying to Bella just to get her to go to Florida? That just isnt Edward. SM didnt write Edward like that. She wrote a pretty clear persona for Edward and you knew when Edward was trying to get ahead like with him mentioning that he was getting married to Bella just so Jacob could hear it. That was the only real sneaky thing Edward did and it was hilarious to me. Edward isnt your typical guy. He is an old soul, he doesnt think like men think these days and that should be remembered when reading about him. He isnt a liar. He is the most noble out of the group. That might be Jacob and at times it might even be Bella but Edward? Edward wasnt perfect. His flaws were pretty simple. He over thought situations. He left Bella to protect her but was overthinking everything. He isnt a liar though. He isnt going to take advantage of Bella and that was a theme that SM used for his character through every book. Edward had plenty of chances to take advantage of Bella…..she wanted him to several times….but he didnt so yes I do believe Edward when he tells Bella something because really there was no reason not to. If we start playing the oh did he lie game then nothing in the books would make sense lol.

I have always been Team Edward, never got the Jacob thing and to me Team Switzerland just doesnt make sense. I guess it just depends on what you mean as a team though. Team Edward to me means that Edward and Bella should have been together no matter what Jacob tried to do and they were. Team Jacob means the person thinks Bella chose wrong and should have picked Jacob and Team Switzerland I guess means she is great with both but I dont really get it. She has one true love, the other is at least a bit behind and wouldnt make her as happy. I dont think Jacob could truly make Bella happy in the long run but would make her complacent.

Then too I felt bad for Edward. I didnt have any reason to question Edward. Jacob proved why he should be questioned. The way he talked to Bella, the things he did, and the way he reacted made his character one I didnt like.

Bella was the most manipulative besides Jacob for me. Jacob took the cake with his manipulating but Bella was manipulative as well. I dont think Bella learned her manipulating from Jacob. If you remember, she manipulated him when they first met in Twilight. Bella wanted to know the story about the cold ones and flirted and manipulated a young Jacob into telling her so she didnt learn it from him if she was already using it on him. That was part of Bella’s personality even before she came to Forks.

I was never wary of Edward or thought of him as a shady character so when he did things I wasnt thinking that he did something for ulterior motive like Jake. Edward didnt play Bella or take advantage or use Bella. He did things for Bella and I could see that from just reading Twilight.

You seem a bit more Team Bella than Team Edward lol. Edward is my favorite character besides Emmett and Rosalie. Bella had way more flaws and issues than Edward but her stubborness rarely let her come to terms with them until it was almost too late. I guess the reader chooses based on personal experiences. I have no reason to side with Bella over her extreme views on marriage, gifts, etc. so it was over the top for me when she would be willing to hurt Edward just for those things no matter what her past was. In love you take leaps and bounds to get closer to a person. Edward sacrificed just as much if not more than Bella did. He sacrificed his family, his existence, everything for her. The least the girl could do was be thankful for what he did for her instead of making a fuss over it and even with her issues from the past, if Edward could overcome all his issues and obstacles for her, why was it so hard for Bella to? I get the whole oh she had issues as a kid, but Bella wasnt a kid anymore and liked to be seen as mature but dwelled on things that had nothing to do with Edward.

I never thought of Bella and Edward’s relationship as anything but loving, deep, and respectful especially on Edward’s side. As soon as I read Twilight I saw their relationship as an amazing one so I didnt need to be won over or anything. I was never on the fence about being Team Edward or Jacob and the more stupid things Jacob did the more I sided with Edward. I might be a woman but at times Bella made me want to slap the crap out of her for the way she treated Edward., When you have a good man, stick by that man and appreciate what he does. Dont try to make him feel guilty about every single thing, dont whine and act childish, be willing to compromise. I think that is something that Edward taught Bella. If she wanted a real relationship and wanted a forever, she needed to act like she could handle a forever with him. That meant compromising and dealing with situations instead of trying to act like they arent happening…..if she would have done that with Jacob from the beginnig I dont think things would have gotten so far. But who knows because Jacob was in his own little world by the time she realized what was going on in his head.

I guess at the end of the day, I didnt see Edward like a normal guy with ulterior motives and SM didnt write him that way. Like she said, Edward is the gentleman, noble, loyal, and protective. He is the fantasy guy that if you are lucky enough to get then you should hold onto him no matter what. Jacob is the reality. He can be sweet but has ulterior motives, he has a darker side that makes people question him at times because he lies, manipulates, and can be forceful, that is a reality. Women can find a Jacob, but you cant just stumble upon an Edward and if you do hold on to that man for all he is worth. Bella was so extreme to the point that she seemed ungrateful for anything that was done for her and it took her time to get over that.

PS: I am not just all for Edward, but give me an Emmett, Carlisle, or Jasper, hell just give me a Cullen man who will do anything for his woman in the long run and treat her like a queen and not only would I treat him like a king in return like it should be…give and take…but I would never let some mongrel with muscles and a temper get in my way lol.

LOL…Rachelle. Your PS is so dead on.

I see what you are saying bout Edward not being a liar. I guess maybe I did bring life experiences into my reading, maybe I need to go back and re-read the books with new eyes. LOL.

Thinking back through all the books, I don’t ever remember Edward lying to Bella. Except for when she asks what Alice’s vision was in the lunch room. He did lie about that. He did keep things from Bella, but I guess that’s not exactly lying.

I agree that Edward did do a lot for Bella. He tried to make her happy in many ways. As far as how I viewed Team Switzerland, was basically how you put it above “You seem a bit more Team Bella than Team Edward lol.”. That’s what Team Switzerland meant to me, she was a neutral country, she was for herself. With the way I took things in the book, I guess that does make sense. I can assure you though, that I was never, ever Team Jacob. I whole heartedly agree with Bella’s choice in Edward.

I even remember while reading the books, that I told my parents & my sister that I thought the relationship was an unhealthy one because of the manipulation & controlling. That was evident to me in both the E/B relationship & the J/B relationship. I remember stating that they are that way, but only for Bella’s own good. I recognized at that time that they were doing it to keep Bella safe.

You are correct again concerning Bella and her manipulation of Jacob. Hmmm, maybe she taught Jacob. LOL Bella did manipulate Jacob on the beach, and also during New Moon too. She used Jacob to fill a void that Edward left.

The one thing that does get me though, is that Bella does show that she wants Edward. She doesn’t even have to make a choice when Alice tells her about Edward going to the Vultori. She takes Edward back, not needing an I’m sorry or anything. She just wants to be with Edward. She really wants to make the ultimate sacrifice for Edward and give up her human life. He means more to her than being human does. He keeps pushing that away. I guess I viewed Edward not telling Bella everything as him being controlling.

I guess coming from a relationship where my husband lied to me every chance he could get, even about stupid little things, I viewed Edward as not being completely honest with Bella. I still saw Edward as the Ideal guy, because he did show that his heart was in the right place, sort of like what Bella tells Jacob when she’s sticking up for the Cullens while breaking off her plans with Jacob at the slumber party.

I did identify with Bella in the book. I experienced & felt many of the same things she did, especially in New Moon. I guess that’s why I seem more “Team Bella”. LOL Don’t get me wrong, the things Edward did made me smile, even when he brought up the tickets to Florida to Charlie. I laughed & though, Oh Edward, you aren’t playing fair. LOL

I don’t know how to explain other than, even though I thought the things they did in the relationship were not always healthy for each other, I did think their relationship was meant to be & that it was a good thing.

Truthfully, I’d give anything for a guy that was even 50 or 60% as moral & honest as Edward was. LOL…I agree with you, Edward is the ultimate man. Jacob is the typical man. I always believed in people like Edward, my husband always told me that it was just a fairy tale.

Now you have me thinking about re-reading the whole saga again. LOL…

Although, just thinking now about it, the Midnight Sun view of Edward shows his darker side & he does have manipulation in him as the nature of a vampire. I guess maybe I draw on that concept with my skepticism, as well as my life experiences. Hmmm, much to ponder. LOL

Past experiences do guide us in what we take away from the books. I could tell right away that you had a bad experience and had been lied to by men in the past because of your comment about Edward maybe lying to Bella about her talking in her sleep. No where in the books did SM make us think Edward was a liar if anything he was the opposite and rarely lied. When he did lie, he ended up coming clean because of the guilt from it all. I never saw Edward has some controlling, manipulative, vampire just wanting Bella for himself. That was never the characteristics SM gave him while writing. I think it is easy to put past feelings onto these characters and that’s what you do with Edward. You seem to see him as a guy from this time period with a jaded mind and ulterior motives. Edward isn’t from this time period and he has gentlemanly values and ways. Bella said that on several occasions. If anything she was the one trying to manipulate him to get her way….turning her, sleeping with her, etc. She even teased that she was like the guy in the relationship.

You are definitely Team Bella and I see teams also as the reader is willing to defend that character the most. You defend what Bella does before you would ever defend Edward or Jacob. Bella had plenty of flaws and even though I read through her POV, I could still see the flawed logic she used and her fickle behavior. Bella did sacrifice for Edward but he had to sacrifice tons to be with her as well. She did drop everything including Jacob to go save her and that showed her love for Edward….you would think Jacob would get the hint then lol. Bella wasnt a horrible character and I dont think that. I do see her flaws in logic, maturity, and control and how they affect both Edward, Jacob, and everyone around her because of it.

I don’t have a lot of bad experiences and that is why I am Team Edward. I had a friend who wanted to be more like Jacob did with Bella but he was a great guy and that is why I don’t take Jacob’s BS about his love for Bella and what he does to try to get it. My friend had a huge crush on me and wanted more but I wasn’t feeling it. He understood that being friends was better than him trying to ruin it with wanting more and to this day three years later we are still close. Jacob never acted the way I felt he should have as a friend first. They were friends before he wanted to be more, or was it that Jacob used his friend status to try and manipulate Bella to get more from her? Something to think about lol. I dated gentlemen and even though they weren’t even close to an Edward, they were still sweet guys who treated me with respect and gave me honesty. I have a different experience than you and that is why I see things differently. I get why Bella had fleeting thoughts of being with Jacob, she is human. I thought about being with my friend. Does that make me hopelessly in love with him, no. It means that I wasn’t blind to the option he gave me but also knew it couldn’t work out and Bella knew that too. She loved Jacob but wasn’t in love with Jacob and there is a huge difference. She loved Jake but was in love with Edward.

I never saw Bella and Edward as having this unnhealthy relationship. They loved each other and were unwilling to sacrifice that even if it meant going through trials and tribulations. Maybe our world and the fact that divorces are a reality and true love is a myth for some people make us all a bit jaded about love. Guys roll their eyes at it and girls find the errors instead of looking at what was truly there. Edward sacrificed and Bella sacrificed even though she did slip up a few times and he did as well they never lost sight of their love. That is why I dont see Edward as fearing Jacob or fearing his loss of Bella. He loved Bella more than he loved himself, Jake didnt. Edward would have stepped aside or been tortured by it forever but was willing to accept that. Also remember that Edward never intended to change Bella so while he would live forever, she would one day die and leave him behind because he wanted her to keep her soul. Who suffers more in that scenario? The one that lives until she is maybe 100….with Bellas clumsiness make it 60 max….or Edward who lives forever with their memories and the loss? That is what I saw and Bella never really stopped to think of what Edward risked for her. He risked his family and happiness but all that mattered was Bella, that is true love.

IMO your past guided you to read more into Edward than was necessarily there. For me, reading is about escaping all of that. You can just tune out your world, dive into another one, and let those characters consume you for a while. I go in with a blank slate for the most part and try to see things from all perspectives. I analyzed all the characters before making an opinion about them and realized I was limited because I only got it from Bella’s POV. Bella and Rosalie’s relationship is a perfect example. Bella is intimidated by Rosalie because she is beautiful and was turned for Edward. That is Bella’s biggest insecurity, Rosalie’s beauty so we don’t get the best views of Rosalie compared to if we were in Rose’s POV or even Emmett’s. That is why I stepped back and took a good look at what I was reading. I never hated Rosalie or thought she hated Bella. I knew there was something under the surface that Bella just didn’t pay attention to. But that is my perspective.

SM wrote these characters a certain way even with their flaws. Edward wasn’t a liar, he didn’t manipulate all the time, and sometimes you have to let go of your pretenses to see the characters for who they are. I looked through Jacob’s POV and after really trying to see things from his side I still hated the mutt lol.

PS: I think you should go back and read but don’t see it through your past or my opinions even, just try to see the characters for who they are and read that way. You might be surprised about what you learn

I also wish the movie could have been done in one movie…But at the same time I want it to be as complete as possible, it’s a long book and i was disappointed at how short Eclipse was!! It just left out so much.

I could have sworn that Summit announced already that BD was going to be two movies. Did I miss something, or rather imagine something?

I’m so out of it right now. LOL

Becky, this is a very old post so I think you guys are just catching up on commenting. They announced it a while back, the only issues in the past couple of months were contracts, locations, and casting but everything is pretty much underway now. They are in full blown pre-production and about to start production soon so no you didnt miss anything. Great to see you in hear again

Thanks Rachelle for catching me up on what has been going on. I’ve been remiss on visiting this site lately. I have been putting in a lot of hours, trying to work with my kids to get them on the right track, trying to make time for “My Edward”, and finding time to sleep. LOL

Can you tell me, what is the difference between Pre-Production and production? I understand that production is pretty much filming I believe, but what do they do during pre-production?

Glad to hear from you too. I miss the commentary on this site with everyone. I used to love to come home and read every day what was commented. I miss that.

Hope everything is going good with you & everyone else. I’m going to try and visit more often. Last week I put in over 50 hours, this week as well. The week before last I put in over 50 hours and had called in sick one day. I would have had at least 58 hours or close to 60 if I hadn’t. I get to work tomorrow so I need to get going.

Good to have you back Becky. We all understand how hectic life can get but it is nice to see you on when you can make the time to.

There are three stages of production for a film. Pre-production, production, and post production. Each is extremely important in their own way. Pre-production is everything leading up to finally being able to film the movie. It includes casting the characters, finding locations to shoot, setting up a schedule for filming, the director hiring his crew, the script being finalized, costume fittings, and so much more. It is a hectic time for everyone who works behind the scenes because while the fans only really focus on the newsworthy stuff and when filming begins, none of that can happen if there isnt a script, location, crew, etc. The time it takes to do pre-production varies by film but usually at least 3 months goes into it. On most films it is way more time than that.

We all know what filming is aka production. It is when us fans start getting excited because they are finally underway and we might get some pics on set if we are lucky. This is really the main part of the process for the actors. They might do a little in pre-production like the costume fittings and makeup, but for the most part the actors are the main focus in production.

Post production is really hectic for the director because while the others have wrapped up, he or she on the other hand are really just beginning the long haul. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to edit. It is like putting together a puzzle of sorts but the director has to mold the pieces to make sure they fit together. Each scene has several takes to choose from so it is all about making sure the whole movie flows and isnt choppy…..some directors arent very good at that. They also have to add in the special effects. Of course they have a team of editors helping them with every part mentioned. Another important part is the music. The score and soundtrack are both finalized during this time. The score is the background music so it also has to be edited into the film along with songs from the soundtrack. Then there is making it visually dynamic and getting the color scheme the way the director wants it, the sound to match, and all that good stuff. Once that is done, the director has to think about the long run, what might be on the DVDs as special features, what could be extended and deleted scenes etc. It is a drawn out process and every director is completely different in how they go about it but usually by the time the film is released into theaters, the director is still working on the DVD part of it all. That is the main gist of what happens behind the scenes and each part has its importance. Pre-production is usually overlooked because it involves the crew which is pretty much invisible to the fans but it takes a while. Breaking Dawn is in pre-production and has been for several months now.

Hope that helps and sorry for the tutorial lol. I just know a lot about this stuff and love to talk about it.

Rachelle, that’s absolutely no problem with the explanation. It’s actually exactly what I was looking for. I find it interesting. I have heard the terms before, but never knew what was put into the different phases. Production is pretty much self explanatory. The others I could guess at, but wasn’t quite sure exactly what they entailed.

Thank you.